islam: Religion of Misogynists, Pedophiles and Barbarians

As if I needed any more proof that islam is barbaric, insane and disgusting, I found this video last night at AtheistNation. muslims have the gall to call themselves a religion of peace? Could you be any more hypocritical than that? Insane. Completely insane.

Please watch this 3 minute video:

I've been wanting to talk about this ever since I found out about it, but finding the video brought this issue to the forefront and gave me a clear venue for expressing my thoughts. A few months ago, my husband told me that muhammad was a pedophile. I admit I'd never read the quran so I didn't know that. What could be more reprehensible than for a 52 year old man to fuck a 9 year old girl? There is no nice way to say it. It's rape, it's barbaric, it's sick and evil, and beyond comprehension.

Here is a picture of a 9 year old girl. She certainly looks emotionally, physically and psychologically ready to be raped by her husband, doesn't she? NO! Of course not! That's horrific!

a girl at the age of 9

Ok, so muhammad raped his 9 year old wife. That disgusted me to find out. But to watch the above video and see that these horrid hateful men still follow this practice today, just because some asshole pedophile did it long ago is beyond disgusting. It's not that it shocked me, considering their backward bronze age thinking on just about everything, but it made everything so clear in a simple 3 minute video.

Here are 9 year old girls ready to take on their "muslim duties" of being raped by their husbands.

9 year olds ready to have sex? BARBARICMost 9 year olds are years away from puberty. They are children. They are not fully developed. According to Massachusetts General, puberty begins on average in the developed world around age 11. The first wisps of pubic hair appear on girls around 11 or so. The average age for onset of menstruation is about 13. Skeletal growth is not completed till about age 14 1/2. But when does a girl emotionally mature? Do you think a child of 9 is emotionally ready to handle sex? No. Of course not. Her body isn't ready and neither is her mind.

Just because muhammad was a pedophile doesn't mean that sickness needs to be perpetrated in the 21st century!? Unless of course you are a backwards culture still living in the bronze age.

I don't know what else to say on this. I guess I'll leave it here for now because it's so repugnant to me that I am probably too furious about it to get my thoughts straight. Your thoughts are encouraged, as usual.


  1. Funny thing about the video, the more that guy explains and justifies it, the more it seems to me that he's sticking his foot in his mouth. Mentioning how Muhammad married a 6 years old girl but waited until she was 9 to have sex with her doesn't really come across as old Mo' being a really nice and considerate guy. He would actually be rotting in jail in most decent places in the world.

    I would recommend you watch the movie "Obama", a movie from Afghanistan about a 12 year old girl that finds herself alone with her mother and grandma after her dad, the only man in the household, dies. Be warned that the movie might make you go postal from depression and disgust. Anyway, here's the link:

  2. Sorry, the movie title is actually "Osama"... my bad.

  3. You know, I had no idea that mohammed was a pedophile nor that the islamic culture condones this kind of shit. Then again, I'm not suprised since Tony Alamo has been using the bible as a premise to rape young girls (since it says so!). Religion is disgusting. I feel sick.

  4. The sad part is, Mauro, he isn't really sticking his foot in his mouth. This is accepted by muslims following muhammad. Yeah, muhammad was the pinnacle of restraint, huh? I mean, waiting all those years. it makes me nauseous. maybe it's the impotent rage bubbling up, i dunno.

    I don't know if I can handle the movie you suggested. I have heard of it and I think.. I just don't know if I can force myself to watch it. But thank you for the suggestion. I'll keep it in mind and maybe other people have the stomach to watch it.

  5. Well Ann, I didn't know about the most repugnant tony alamo. So I'm glad I posted this. Knowledge and information is always good to share. Religion is revolting, I agree. It makes me sick too.

  6. I feel it's a little 'off' to condemn the whole of Islam simply because some people are holding onto some of the less savoury claims of the religion. Some also believe that martyrdom is also favourable. They're not in the majority.
    How many Islamic men actually do take a wife that we would consider to be too young?
    Just because one nutter goes on the box and chats about it doesn't mean that they all think like that.
    The same way in which not all Christians are waiting for the rapture or condemning soliders.

    ps I'm an atheist.

  7. Ugh, that's so disgusting that such ideas are still accepted by anyone!! /sacrcasm: Well, religion says it's right so it MUST be so. Grrr!

  8. Hi Widgetas and thanks for your comment. The fact remains that muhammed is the prophet of these people and they follow his teachings. The whole of islam is despicable.

    Name 10 aspects of peaceful and progressive thinking that come from this bronze age "religion of peace" as well as how islam has bettered the world. Can you? Because I can't think of a single advancement or positive aspect of it.

    And on the topic of christianity, it too is backwards and bronze/iron age thinking. Sure there are nice people who are christians who aren't committing evil in the name of their god, but hopefully they'd be good people even without the threat of eternal damnation. It doesn't make religion any less heinous and untenable.

  9. Hi Kelly, thanks for commenting. I agree, it's beyond disgusting. Religion is disgusting and crushing to the human spirit.

  10. Sorry, Widgetas, if 'some' muslims don't condemn the so-called holy book of their faith for the rape of a child, they may as well be condoning it.
    Where else but the world of religious dogma would this type of behavior not be thought of as an abomination? Look at the molestation scandal the catholic church went through. Where would they be without all their hush money? Any muslim that speaks out against islam would almost certainly be doomed by the very faith they profess to follow. It's sickening.

    The world needs to stop turning a blind eye to all the horrors carried out in the name of religion and start holding ALL people to the same standards.

    Just one more reason I am free of religion & the sickness it encourages.

  11. I don't like to label anything as "Christian" or "Islamic" when it could have come from anywhere, the fact remains that many scientific and mathematical advancements can be attributed to Islamic scholars.
    However, that was a long time ago.
    The vast majority of Westernised religions cannot be described as heinous and untenable.
    While I agree that they're not a good thing, per se, I don't think you can dismiss them as such.
    In what way is modern Christianity so unpalatable?

  12. Widgetas, as you said, the scientific advancements from Islam come from long ago. They've been stuck in time for pretty much the last 700 years.

    IMO, the principles of the big 3 religions (Christianism, Islam and Judaism) are heinous. You only have to read their holy books to see why. The fact that they don't mention the bad stuff and try to pass it on as oh-so-nice doesn't change it, because the horrible rules, traditions and commandments are still there, ready to be used (as many sects within those religions do). So, to me, something that can promote so much horror and suffering is invalid and bad, even if it inspires a little good too (see the next paragraph).

    The other aspect is that, as Neece hopes, good people will do good anyway. Religion has nothing to do with it, although some people might never have had any contact with a secular point of view on morals and goodness, so they wouldn't know it.

  13. I must admit, if you can excuse the pun, I've been playing devil's advocate here.
    The point I was arguing was that the vast majority of the religiously inclined are very 'wishy washy' these days. They don't need all the fire and brimstone stuff that kept the masses in check back in the day. It's all very Church of England, limp wrist, cup of tea and doily ish.
    That would be, in my opinion, the stance of the church goers: "We're all about the love."

    But I think I'm in agreement with you people here: It's all or nothing. Your book says love your neighbour: Ok I agree (up to a point). Peace is a good thing: fair play.
    Take them for your slaves: Hang on a sec...!

    I was once told by a seventh day adventist, who was laughing as she said it, that they don't beleieve the Old Testament and that it is more a collection of stories to take note from.
    But didn't Jesus believe in the Old Testament... ?
    All or nothing.
    So yes, Islam has some questions to answer.

  14. "...the vast majority of the religiously inclined are very ‘wishy washy’ these days..."

    Which doesn't make it better either, because they, in no specific order:

    1) Propagate the mystical mentality that allows religion to keep flourishing

    2) Create the "religious is good" image that pretty much denies us the right to criticise any religious idea or institution

    3) Keep people from gaining a better understanding of reality

    4) Makes people choose bad, but religious, leaders as opposed to good, but more secular ones just because of the image that having more faith is always preferable (see the USA for the last 8 years)

    I could probably come up with more, but I think you can see where I'm going.

    About the "all or nothing" thing, I've had christians say the same thing to me, "oh the old testament is not really valid anymore". But what about the creation myth that's the basis of Creationism that they support? What about the 10 commandments they want to see plastered to every wall that stands up anywhere? What about the (dubious) profecies and lineage about Jesus that support the claim for him being The One? And on and on and on... that's all old testament stuff! These people are unbelievably dense, they don't even understand what it is they believe.

  15. I agree, Butch, religion crushes the human spirit and is used as a vehicle for men in powerful positions to assert their control over weakened sheep. Disgusting. How much violence has been in the name of a god and religion? Inexcusable.

  16. Widgetas, "we're all about the love"? I don't see it that way. They may talk of the loving and merciful god that they worship, but do they walk the walk as well? Do they practice what they preach or are they hypocrites, full of hate for people who are not of like mind or faith?
    You bet islam (and christianity) have a lot to answer for. Again it seems you're letting them off the hook so easily.
    And if you accept that the bible is the word of god, or the quran is the holy book of islam, then you can't cherry pick what you like. that's weak. Those books promote hate, racism, violence, fear, murder, rape, etc. etc etc.... completely unacceptable.

  17. Yes! Mauro, that is exactly what I was implying. Thank you for saying it so clearly.

  18. Oh, and the wishy washy thing...
    Well, maybe in some places the religious are wishy washy. Certainly not in a lot of places here in the United States where they bully everyone from the street to the White House and the Congress. They certainly aren't wishy washy in the middle east where they treat women like dogs and kill each other for having a different invisible friend, or just for following a slightly different set of rules.

  19. Again... I agree with you people!
    *but* what I'm really trying to do here is harvest your arguments than can be used against characters like: the church of England (I'm in the UK) or similar non-voilent (and they are non violent. Excluding Northern Ireland & 2005 I can't think of any religious violence in the UK) organisations who've gone past what we might consider extremism.
    Mauro answered some of those questions.
    And Neece, I already said "all or nothing" ! I'm not letting anyone off the hook. I've thought it was pish all my life, with more negative to it's name than not.

  20. Ok, Widgetas. That makes sense.

  21. That is sick!!! How on earth can these barbarians treat their mothers, daughters, aunts, sisters, nieces like that?! I see many of them shopping at my job. I feel so bad for the women and girls.

    Religion of Peace?! LOL....
    Here's a couple passages from their Koran.

    Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

    When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

    Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

    Slay, war, persecution, and slaughter. Sounds real peaceful to me... :roll:

  22. Thanks, Colleen. Yeah, their supposed "holy book" makes the bible look like a little Golden Books for kids, huh?

  23. Damn!!! The Christians have competition!!!

  24. yeah, the christians sure aren't alone in being repugnant in the name of god, are they?

  25. If you have trouble distinguishing the philosophy and behavior of Christians as opposed to Muslims then you deserve to go and see Alah as soon as possible.
    There is a difference between a religion and a cult.
    People tend to dwell on the past antics of the Christian religion. Compare how far it has come in humanity and then look at Islam. Barbarias.Psychotics.
    Yes, it goes against the teachings of Christianity, but science dictates that sometimes the only way to preserve and perpetuate an eco-system is by EXTERMINATING a sub-species. 5000 years of desert heat has geneticly mutated there already inferior brains. It's time to stop trying to impress the rest of the world with our kindness to ANIMALS(or insects in this case)
    The Coran reads like a hokey, fantasy video game that tries to cover it's last passage with the next. The Bible isn't any more beleivabe because of all the metaphorical bull****.
    If you have any evolved intelligence you will come to realize that GOD is a force and presence larger than anyone can describe in a book. Especially books written 1-2 thousand years ago...when people had completely different ways of referencing what they saw/experienced.
    Old man with a white beard, ruling the planet...
    72 Virgins...
    Gimme a F***ing break!

  26. Interesting rant, Kevin. I'm not sure I agree with you, though.
    religion = A more widespread and popular cult.
    There is no god. Plain and simple.

  27. 51 million child brides alive today are expected to double in number in 10 years. Most of this phenomenon is due to Mohammed.

    Many of those vicimized young females are also genitally mutilated and then sold to wealthier men so their families may escape from the severest poverty.

    We must all see this as one of the most serious moral problems to be addressed. Denied all opportunity to obtain an education (due to Islamic repression of females) what can this impoverished women do?

    Educating 300 million young Muslim females should be one of the top priorities of all countries and the United Nations Organization.

    Islam is clearly to blame for most of this problem. Islam cannot condemn pedophilia without condemning its founder.

  28. Thank you for your comment, Morgan. It's reprehensible what is done in the name of allah and his pedophile spokesman, mohammed.

    I agree, education and teaching people to think for themselves is crucial, not just in the islamic countries, but everywhere. Ignorance abounds. :(

  29. Dear Neese, Imho, if the 2 billion young women in the Third World received a full education, most of our problems would be solved. The highest illiteracy is among Moslem women and it is shocking. Over 90% cannot read...that's right. They have no chance of anything except being the slave of a man and then have their daughters sold to strange middle aged men to pay gambling debts. No wonder so many girls in Afghanistan (Af-ghastly-stan)commit suicide (or try unsuccessfully) by burning themselves with cooking oil.

    Indeed, Islam is the religion of misogyny.

    I have not even mentioned the book, "Tahrirolvasyleh" by Ayatollah Khomeini the late dictator of Iran who allowed Moslem men to have anal sex with babies.

    Have they no shame?

  30. Woah... Going to check that book out right away ( in an non-perverted way).
    But do you have references for your stats? Iran has just seen a high turn out of women for the elections...

  31. Yes, look up stats at UN + literacy + Arab countries. You will be shocked. I count as illiterate those who are functionally illiterate. It is shocking that in the 21st century so many women are living lives of such desperation. In Af-ghastly-stan only about 10 of girls are in school. Their families need them to stay at home as slaves and refuse to allow them to go so they won't get uppety. You don't need to be literate to vote, deary!

  32. Elections mean nothing. If you already control the system, it means nothing. They are easily fabricated, and are never really true elections (you may pick this tyrant or this tyrant, both whom selected beforehand). They are a solid charade for every part of the world.

    And that's just it, it's a method of control. When people vote, they somehow think they've had some great impact on the system, and they of course cherish that even when it's not a reality. Really, it's like when a kid is indoctrinated into religion throughout their childhood, and then told they have the choice whether or not they can believe. They didn't really have a choice. The illusion of control.

    Thus, allowing elections are a good method of control.

  33. Thanks for telling us how to find the stats. I wonder if you could use WolframAlpha to get those yet? I bet they will be on there soon...

  34. Yes. Like here in America, most people think voting does something. Yeah, right. Oh, I'm so jaded!

  35. Dear Nightmare, Your views are dismally trailer park. Representative party democracy is the pinacle of a parliamentary system that has been evolving for 1000 years and is still evolving. The fact that Iranians can vote at all is a miracle. The fact that a "Council of Experts" chooses the candidates is a temporary part of Iran's history soon to be relegated to the ashcan. Iranians, by the way, have a huge number of secular humanists, which should interest this forum. They are repressed and it is rather your duty to support them and help them escape from mullahocracy to real democracy.

    By the way, Nightmare (your views really are)...Warren Buffet's vote carries the same weight as yours...i.e. one vote. Do your civic duty...don't be a lazy trailer park lout!


  36. You obviously have no grasp of history or knowledge of civics. The checks and balances in the parliamentary system are apparently unknown to you. Your idea is to implement the law of the jungle.

    No one believes any system of government will ever be perfect but industrious people roll up their sleeves and get involved to bring about change. Trailer park people snap open a beer and turn on the tube.

    Even if there were a perfect system you are too lazy to think, so you wouldn't recognize the perfection. And if you did get involved it wouldn't be perfect any more.

    Go back to the park, open a beer and put yer feet up. Let George do it.

  37. Again, you just call names, seriously, leave troll. You, are the one with zero grasp of history nor knowledge of civics. Quit ignoring the argument, face up instead of being cowardly.

    Of course nobody believes any system of government will be perfect. There are always room for improvement, but you seem to like to argue otherwise, but when the going gets tough shy back. I proposed a solution to improve the voting procedure. What have you done? Nothing. Propose why such a solution would be bad? No. You just call names. You ignored it even, I don't even think you read the whole thing. Just saw a bunch of words, and your illiteracy couldn't comprehend them, therefore your resorted to baseless name calling. What do you do? Vote? Yes, that's it, you vote, and are happy to leave it like that. I do far more than you can possibly comprehend, since all you think that we do for civic duty is vote.

    The checks and balances in the parliamentary system are not enough. But those HAVE NOTHING to do with the current situation. We are only talking about the voting system right now... but as we see that's too complicated for you. No, ignore, bring up other things... which has been what you've been doing the whole time. Jump around like a grasshopper, never back up your arguments, and call names.

    So again, leave troll. Your not making any argument here, nothing to bring to the table, so there is no reason for you to post.

  38. You've both resorted to personal attacks and name calling. It's really uncalled for.

    And to clarify, most countries do not have open, direct elections, so your vote really doesn't count. And I've never heard of a government untainted by some level of corruption. It's nice to think your vote counts, wherever you go, but it really is just a nice idea, not really based on reality.

  39. I apologize for expressing irritation that someone does not value his/her right to vote. Recently, a young man urinated on a national war memorial where the country remembered the fact that millions of brave men and women shed their blood to preserve democracy and freedom and defend our right to vote and have our opinions heard. I recall there was a huge outcry at this sacrilege and the boy apologized for his poor judgment. Not only did the military of most Western countries and their civilians pay costly sacrifices for our right to vote, but all Westernized countries spend vast sums on elections to ask us what we think...Judges, lawyers and police courageously protect these rights. As well, individual party supporters volunteer and make great efforts to promote change. They do this without pay just to make the world a better place. I am sorry that I thought my view was the only one that truly respected the sacrifices of so many high-minded, selfless people, and I apologize for thinking anyone who thought otherwise was shallow and thoughtless, like the boy on the monument.

    Our thoughts and support should now be directed to the brave men and women of Iran who are struggling to have what so many in our society seem to take entirely for granted.

    There are many reasons to vote:
    1) Voting is a way to speak your mind and let your voice be heard!
    Your vote is your voice. When we vote, we are actually telling elected officials and lawmakers how we feel about education, public safety, social security, health care, and other important issues. You can go to candidate meetings and ask them questions and tell your concerns. You can write a letter to the newspaper. These small steps do cause change to occur.
    2) One voice, one vote really does count! A few votes sometimes sway an election.
    Remember: there is power in numbers, and when we vote and get our family members to vote, we can truly make a difference. If you don’t vote for what you believe in, others will – and you may not like the outcome.
    3) Our children are depending on us to represent their voices too!
    Because our children can’t vote, we have to do it for them. That’s how we make our concerns about schools, safety, housing, and other issues heard. When we vote, we are looking out for our kids, and their futures. Our children will blame us for not leaving our country in better shape.
    4) Voting changes communities!
    Do you ever wonder why one neighborhood gets passed over for things it needs, while another seems to get it all? One big reason is voting. When we vote, we can get results that we can actually see. Politicians want to get re-elected.
    4) Vote to effect change!
    It was through elections that we voted in officials who were champions for civil rights. Voting is our chance to make a difference in our own lives and within the world.
    5) Believe it or not, voting is a way of honoring our history!
    As long as our country has existed, there have been people who didn’t want us to vote. There were several freedom fighters that stood up for the right to vote. Well, those times may seem ancient, but there are still people today who don’t want us to vote. It’s now our turn to stand up and vote to preserve the honor of those who went before us.
    6) Last but not least, because it gives you credibility!
    Often times, we voice our concerns to elected officials, but if we aren’t voting, our concerns may not matter at all to them. Voting can actually give you the credibility to make your concerns a top priority for legislators.

  40. Just for the record, I vote. I think it's our civic duty to be informed and participate in our society, and to vote conscientiously.

    I also think that if you don't vote you have no right to complain because you've done nothing to contribute. So if you want a voice, start by voting.

    That doesn't mean my vote counts, though. Just because we are told it counts doesn't make it so. We don't have direct elections nationally. So one vote does not count at all. It's the electoral college that votes.

  41. Neece, I think emotion got the better of you this time. I agree that religion in general is very flawed, but you seem to have singled out Islam.

    Your topic makes it seem as if muslims are barbaric and approve of rape. You even make muhammad seem like a real person, when in fact "prophets" are nothing more than fictional characters in a fairy tale.

    I doubt that muslims advocate marrying children, and to judge an entire population based on the actions of a fictional character, and foolish extremists who support him, is wrong.

  42. Perhaps you should watch the video, hornyhobo. Yes, they do marry girls as old as ONE, but wait till they are NINE to have sex with them. A girl of 9 is legal. That is disgusting and barbaric. They say it's because that's what their prophet did. So whether Muhammad was real or not makes no difference if all those men are subjecting little girls who probably haven't even had their first menstruation yet to having sex and being married.

  43. Perhaps you should fully read my comment.

    You are judging an entire population based on the words of a few extremist pedophiles, who are probably looking for any excuse to marry children.

    You claim that a single video of someone advocating rape is somehow enough to judge every single member of Islam. As the video says, marriage is dictated my different traditions in different areas. In that particular area a few people follow the tradition of marrying children.

    That doesn't mean every muslim, everywhere follows that tradition or approves of it. You made that assumption based on nothing more than a 3 minute video of someone you've probably never heard of, and the words of your husband. An astonishing claim to make for someone who admits she has never even read the quaran or whatever it's called.

  44. You're right, I have singled out islam, this one time. Normally I focus on christianity. I will admit my exposure to islam is limited, but that doesn't change the fact that the quran (or whatever it's called?) advocates marrying children, and little girls are prepared for marriage by age 9.
    Certainly there are sects of islam that are more moderate, but when the book itself is full of misogyny and hate, does it make much difference? I say the same about following the bible, which is also full of hate and misogyny.
    Following ancient texts that are supposedly the "word of god" is dangerous and unhealthy.
    I don't want to get in an argument with you. But I see no reason to not be outraged by such information. If you choose to apologize for a religion based on the happy thinking that "some" muslims are moderate in their thinking, go ahead. But that doesn't mean heinous things are happening to women and children in the name of muhammad, things like genital mutilation and child rape, stoning, etc.

  45. Do not misunderstand. I am not apologizing for any religion, and I don't particularly like Islam.

    You admit your exposure to Islam is limited, yet you still make assumptions about it. That by itself usually doesn't bother me, but making a sweeping generalization about all Muslims does.

    Based on the limited research I've done since reading your topic, the words of Muhammad are in something called the Hadith, which is sometimes kept separate from the Quran itself. Some Muslims who are aware of Muhammad's sexual nature, even go so far as to deny the Hadith altogether. That alone is enough to disprove your claim that all Muslims are misogynists, pedophiles, and barbarians.

    It also means the Quaran itself might not be filled with all the hate and misogyny you claim. If you want to find out for sure, go research it and come back with links and references backing up your claim.

    Bottom line is this:
    You are right in criticizing Islam, Muhammad, and pedophiles. However, you are not right in making assumptions about all Muslims, making sweeping generalizations that can't possibly be true, and judging an entire population based on little more than a youtube clip.

  46. And what is your exposure to islam that you are so ready to defend it and be harsh with me for being appalled by what I saw? I wrote this post out of anger. I admitted that. I'm not going to rewrite it.

    I also did not condemn all muslims. I never said any words like all or every. I never qualified that I meant every muslim. I've met muslims, but I certainly don't know many. I certainly have never been to the middle east. I don't claim to know what anyone is thinking except me. And I never said I did.

    I think I did what I wanted to do, which was bring attention to the situation. I am not going to jump through hoops for you or anyone else just so that I get to express my OPINION. This is my opinion. I have the right to have it.

    I've read chapters of the quran in working with the Reason Project. It was filled with killing people and Doom. I never saw the word Doom so many times. The parts I read were ALL filled with hate and Doom. Every bit of it. It was a very unpleasant experience. But no, I'm no expert on their holy books.

    If you know so much about islam, then why don't you provide links about how much it is a religion of peace? Because it isn't. That's my opinion.

    If you don't like that I got angry over what I had learned and how I expressed myself, then don't read my blog.

    Again, I don't want to argue with you. But I'm also not going to run around doing research on an issue that I wrote about months ago, simply because you tell me to.

    I don't need to justify my opinion to anyone. It's mine to have. And you have yours. If you disagree with me, that's fine.

    I don't see that you have presented any evidence to encourage me to change mine, and you don't like what I have to say, so that sounds like we have to agree to disagree.

  47. Ahhh, and so the argument takes a predictable turn.

    "And what is your exposure to islam that you are so ready to defend it and be harsh with me for being appalled by what I saw?"

    I'm not defending Islam. What I am defending are the normal people you would lump up with pedophiles, when making your generalizations.

    "I wrote this post out of anger. I admitted that. I’m not going to rewrite it."

    Thank you for admitting that. I am not asking you to rewrite this post.

    "I also did not condemn all muslims. I never said any words like all or every..."

    Your title "islam: Religion of Misogynists, Pedophiles, and Barbarians" seems to suggest otherwise. You may not use words like "all" and "every", but you don't need to. Also, if what you say is true, why didn't you mention it at the start of our discussion?

    "I am not going to jump through hoops for you or anyone else just so that I get to express my OPINION. This is my opinion. I have the right to have it."

    Not sure how I'm asking you to jump through hoops. You say "I never said any words like all or every..." but now you're claiming it's your opinion, and "I don’t need to justify my opinion to anyone". Are you saying not all muslims are pedophiles, or are you saying that they are and it's your opinion to say that?

    Also, while it's true you have a right to your opinion, I don't see how that's relevant here. I have yet to question your rights.

    Telling me that you're not going to back up your claims or even have a discussion over them because "it's my opinion" and "I don’t need to justify my opinion to anyone" is a cop out.

    This isn't about defending Islam, which I have said over and over again. It's about not making generalizations and assumptions about another group of people. Such things are dangerous and only lead to more conflict due to a lack of understanding, and intolerance. If you want to hide behind your right to your opinion, that's fine, just stop turning this into some discussion about Islam, which it's not.

  48. You're trying to start a pedantic argument with me that I am not going to get into. I stand by what I said, pick it apart as you feel like, that's your business.
    If you don't like it, you don't have to read it or agree with it. I'm ok with people having differing opinions about issues.

  49. "but you seem to have singled out Islam."
    Umm... well, duh. She's not talking about Christians in this post amazingly enough. The whole posts refers to Islam thought. Amazing. What the hell are you trying to say? Honestly, I've read your posts through this, and I'm amazed Neece even could throw up a response she did.

    "You even make muhammad seem like a real person"
    Right, because she's referring to the argument. Just like when we talk about Christianity, we typically refer to Jesus. He didn't have to exist, we are referring to a certain thing. Whenever we refer to said things, it will sound like we are treating it like it's a real thing. Like when we talk about any god, it'll seem like we are talking about a thing in reality. We're not, it's a conceptual argument.

    And she isn't making assumptions. It is clearly defined and realized that Islamic religion does have marriages to young girls, and age 9 is the magic number simply because the prophet did it. It's in the book.

    Next, I guess I'll state it just because I'm not sure if you know this... Muslims are adherents to Islamic faith, they aren't a nationality or anything like that... Just making sure here.


    "some discussion about Islam, which it’s not."
    IT IS. It is a discussion about Islam! That's the bloody point.

    And finally, for the meat of your made up argument. She is calling out something about a religion. We don't sit here and make exclusions, oh, not everybody does this. It's a bloody part of the religion. In other words, we don't care about the people not doing it or doesn't support it. Your ignoring the whole point by saying stupid stuff like this. Nobody ever follows every part of every religion. Everybody knows that. Your not adding any intelligent discussion into the flow. And who cares if not everybody does it. It shouldn't be a part of the religion. If you call yourself a Muslim (not you you of course [had to add this exclusion just in case you thought I was actually talking about you]), you infer agreement to this aspect, as it is a part of the religion.

    Just because everybody doesn't do it doesn't make it right.

  50. Once again, GMN, you state the obvious. You clearly say what I was implying and trying to articulate. Thanks. :) I appreciate it. :)


    Most Muslims know practically NOTHING about real Islam and have not even read its primary texts. They are kept in the dark by their mullahs who keep them in the system by death threats. Many apostate Muslims are murdered every year for daring to opt out. It is an eternal commandment from Allah to kill them for leaving Islam. Most who leave Islam do so VERY quietly, if possible, leaving their country and changing their name. They do not advertise and therefore you will never hear of them or read stats on it. The first victims of this mind-control cult is the Muslims.

    Comparative religion researcher, Dr. Tina Magaard has said: "The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree. There are also straightforward calls for terror. This has long been a taboo in the research into Islam, but it is a fact that we need to deal with."
    Magaard has spent years analyzing the original texts of different religions, from Buddhism to Sikhism, and concludes that the Islamic texts are by far the most warlike among the major religions of the world. They encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions.
    Moreover, there are hundreds of calls in the Koran for fighting against people of other faiths. According to Dr. Magaard, "If it is correct that many Muslims view the Koran as the literal words of God, which cannot be interpreted or rephrased, then we have a problem. It is indisputable that the texts encourage terror and violence. Consequently, it must be reasonable to ask Muslims themselves how they relate to the text, if they read it as it is".
    My personal reaction to all the Koranic calls to crucify, behead, amputate, execute and enslave the unbelievers is that it does not matter what “slant”, “spin” or interpretation you put on the violent verses in the Koran…these verses will always be there and will always provide fodder for anyone who wants to take them as the literal commands of God. They will always provide good reasons to act violently as we see from the 13,000 deadly Islamic terrorist attacks since 9-11.

    The violence and misogyny of Islam are not mythical or mischaracterization: they are intrinsic to Islam. Reading the Koran and Hadiths will convince you of that.

    Dr. Tina Magaard is correct.

  52. No Neece, I'm not. You're just trying to save face and shrug this off.

    In the future don't get into a discussion you're not willing to see through to the end and finish.

  53. I don't appreciate your tone. I didn't start an argument with you. You started it with your comment, and I am not going to engage with you on this. Simple as that.

  54. Nobody cares about the people not supporting it? I care, and so do a lot of other people. Don't expect to make a generalization about a group of people and not get called out on your BS.

    If you want to call a group of people all pedophiles, then say something stupid like "I don't care about the people who don't do it", the same people who strangely enough disprove everything you say, go ahead. I'll be there to make you look like the fool you are, and corner you into the typical response of "well, uhhh, I don't care!"

    I did like how Neece immediately jumped at the chance to "clearly state" what she was "implying" all along". I kept our discussion civil and without insults out of general respect, but if you want to go down this path with me, I'll be more than happy to oblige.

  55. My tone was rather respectful until you decided to use the same old "it's my opinion" excuse. Not to mention cherry picking what to respond to when things don't go your way. Rather like the poster "Iamgod" now that I think about it.

    You wrote this topic out of anger, and I called you out on it. Generalizations can make anyone look stupid and a simple "I didn't mean EVERY muslim is a pedophile" would have been enough. If you're not willing to finish a discussion, don't get into one in the first place.

  56. So stating that I have an opinion is considered rude? I'm not going to argue with you. Your tone is hostile. You are trying to pick a fight. Go find some other blog to be nasty on. Your insults are unwarranted and uncalled for.

  57. honryhobo - You're following a similar argument to that which I started back in January. While I have very few positive things to say about any religion, I did make the point that you cannot condemn the whole of Islam because some people have very odd ideas.
    HOWEVER - off all the Muslims I've spoken to, they hold the Qu'ran in high regard as the literal word of their god, etc.
    This causes huge problems when you consider such passages as Neece has pointed out.
    And also: Can you find any sources where such passages are called into question by Muslims?
    If there are any then I am not aware, although I would be interested to read them.

  58. Neece did not condemn the 80% of Muslims who are illiterate and thus have no choice with what they believe. She attacked the ideology itself for oppressing women, especially destroying the lives of little girls by making them slaves to old men following the hideously immoral example of Mohammed a narcissistic desert bandit. His followers are subjected to relentless brainwashing involving information control and thought control from cradle to grave. They are victims and dare not protest for fear of violent assassination by their closest friends and even family members...e.g. a girl murdered by her father and brother, a restaurant worker killed by his brother, an Islamic scholar after chasing him around the restaurant shouting "You are following Satan!" Their crime? They no longer believed Mohammed was a true prophet.

    Should we not advocate for these hundreds of millions of victims of this death cult? Should we not denounce the mullahs who keep them enslaved just so they can have a job? The mullahs know everything we say in this forum is true!

  59. Not all Nazi's supported and killed Jews. So don't make a generalization of them, don't expect to say that Nazi's killed Jews and not get expected to get called out on your BS.

    Not all KKK members threaten and kill blacks. So don't make a generalization of them, don't expect to say that KKK members threaten blacks and not get expected to get called out on your BS.

    Okay, really. Get off your high horse. You didn't even read for comprehension there, your argument is getting more ridiculous every single time since you ignore what we say. When I said I don't care, I mean in the context, WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THEM.

    Imaginary Group: Krunders
    Topics: Murder, rape, stealing, lie
    Subgroups: A, B, C
    I say Krunders murder. Group A does. You say group B and C doesn't.
    I say Krunders rape. Group B does. You say group A and C doesn't.
    I say Krunders steal. Group C does. You say Group A and B doesn't.
    I say Krunders lie. Groups A,B,C do. You mistakenly think otherwise.

    Constantly pointing out who doesn't do it doesn't make a good argument. As I said, we ALREADY KNOW. And Neece was trying to say what I said this whole time. It never got through to you. It's a sign of having zero reading comprehension... When people like you try to make exclusivity argument (oo, that's a good name for it), you basically ignore everything. I've seen it a million times, you ignore everything that is said, and keep harping. You even ignored what I said, basically all of it, just to harp more.

  60. Algebra. We can think the ancient Arab Muslims for Algebra.

    I took a class at university on "Mohammad's Women" about the wives and companions of the Prophet. The professor was a white American woman who specialized in 14th century Islamic history. It was eye-opening, reading about ALL his wives, reading the hadith, knowing more about how the Q'uran was put together, etc. I think *most* Western Muslims try to tell themselves that he didn't actually have sex with Aisha till she was ready, that he was more a father-figure up until that point.

    Also - what's with the phrase "married off". You ever realize no one refers to "marrying off their sons"?

  61. Wow, way to show your zenophobic pride! "Inferior brains"? I don't care if your comment is six months old - I want anyone who stumbles on here to say a rebuttal.

    Islam is following the *exact same path* that Christianity did. But Christianity has 1300 years on Islam, so it's already worked out some of the "growing pains" of a young religion. Likewise, the US is 200+ years old and we rarely see large scale riots or protests like we did during the first 100 years from the Boston Tea Party to the Whiskey Rebellion up till the Civil War. Iran, for example, which is much in the news right now, is only a 30 year old country. They're still trying to find who they are and how they'll present themselves.

    There is no evil action commanded in the Q'uran that is not commanded in the Bible.

  62. Good point. Women's rights and education varies tremendously among the Muslim-majority nations. (There are 48 such countries in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia.) The lifestyle of an Afghani woman under Taliban rule, an Egyptian female doctor, a Tedrani university student, and a Somali tribeswoman are all dramatically different. Now I don't think Islam is a positive influence on a culture or society, but it is true that the religion combines with the culture in some of the regions to show a preference for some aspects of the Q'uran over others (sort of like the difference between a Baptist church in Missouri or in Mississippi - regional culture will dictate which verses of the Bible they like best).

  63. Our individual votes *do* affect how the electoral college votes. Also, if you want to have your vote count more, move somewhere that's a swing state with a high electoral :) (except that it's more likely to be "stolen" in that case - see Florida 2000, Ohio 2004)

  64. You can broad brush a religion in the sense that moderates provide cover for the extremists, but it's intellectually dishonest to claim all adherents of a faith practice its worst traditions. (ie, not all - or even most - Mormons are polygamists who wed child brides; not all - especially in the under 30 crowd - Christians are gay-bashers; not all Jewish men start their day by praying "Thank God I'm not a Gentile or a woman".) You can object to the worst element, assign proper responsibility to the whole faith, and still remember these facts.

  65. Angie, although I agree that the people living in the areas that were devout Muslim made a significant contributions to science and maths at that time, I think it is very much a mistake to credit these advances to their faith in Islam.
    Consider science that has come about in the western Christian world in the last century. These things did not take place *because* the scientists may or may not have been Christian. It is actually highly likely that these men and women were not devout believers, simply because the scientific mind is by and large not a theist mind. Also there is much documentary evidence for scientific advances being denounced by various 'churches' down the centuries.

    Islam penalises apostasy with death. The men (and women?) who were clever and learned enough to develop things such as algebra were very likely also clever enough to realise that if they left the faith, or expressed disdain for it, then they would be subject to rather harsh penalties.
    Also I believe that the Koran states that it is the only book that is needed (am I correct? I read this somewhere...) so surely such ideas of mathematics and science are contained within its pages? If so one wonders how Leibniz and Newton came up with Calculus, and not those Arab Muslims.

  66. I can't believe I hadn't noticed that comment and responded before. I think I must have done, but dismissed the man as a bigot.

  67. (are you talking to me or Hornyhobo? You and I are in agreement, I think ;) )

  68. Very likely true. But the question was "what have they done?" and my answer as "algebra". I don't credit faith for knowledge really.

  69. Ugh, I was replying to your mutual discussion, but agreeing with you :) You know "religion bad, and yet not all religious are like the worst parts of their religions". (I like to think of it in pious, condescending tones as "Love the religious, hate the religion" - like "Love the sinner hate the sin" lol)

  70. I have to say that I wasn't able to watch the whole 3+ minutes of the video because the guy just kept repeating himself and rationalizing Mohammed's pedophilia. I know a BS argument when I hear one, and that one was pure BS! It's OK because we follow what Mohammed says. I have an 8-yr-old granddaughter and it IS NOT OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE SEX WITH HER WHEN SHE TURNS NINE!!!

  71. Child marriage is the ultimate misogyny! But Mohammed committed it and his best friend went along with his six-year-old daughter in marriage! How can Moslem women not react to this with revulsion as you (and all civilized people) do?

    Where are the millions of feminists protesting the millions of child marriages taking place in the Moslem world? Feminists, step up to the plate! Defend the helpless! A six-year-old recently applied for a divorce in Yemen. She said she wants to be a lawyer when she grows up 'to help people'. I hope she does.