Oh Lordy, Kill My Oppressors, Please!

fairy tales are for childrenWiley Drake, a southern baptist preacher in California went on Fox News Radio's Alan Colmes show on June 2nd and said he's praying for god to kill President Obama. Drake used to be the 2nd vice president of the southern baptist convention.

Apparently there's a special kind of prayer from psalms where you ask god to kill people for you, to vindicate your innocence and relieve you of your oppressors. It's called imprecatory prayer.

Imprecate: To call down by prayer, as something hurtful or calamitous. To invoke evil upon; curse.

Drake prayed to his god for the death of Dr. George Tiller, who was murdered in his church on May 31st. Drake called his death an answer to prayer.

(emphasis of the following quotes are mine, with my comments interspersed)
"Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don't like that, they need to talk to God," Drake told syndicated talk-show host Alan Colmes. "God said it, I didn't. I was just agreeing with God."

Lame! Cop-out! 'Don't blame me, it's god's responsibility! I just pestered him till he did what i demanded!'
Asked if there are others for whom Drake is praying "imprecatory prayer," Drake hesitated before answering that there are several. "The usurper that is in the White House is one, B. Hussein Obama," he said.

Later in the interview, Colmes returned to Drake's answer to make sure he heard him right.

"Are you praying for his death?" Colmes asked.

"Yes," Drake replied.

"So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?"


Colmes asked Drake if he was concerned that by saying that he might be placed on a Secret Service or FBI watch list, and if he believed it appropriate to talk or pray that way.

At least he's just praying, which we know to be completely ineffectual.
"I think it's appropriate to pray the Word of God," Drake said. "I'm not saying anything. What I am doing is repeating what God is saying, and if that puts me on somebody's list, then I'll just have to be on their list."

"You would like for the president of the United States to die?" Colmes asked once more.

"If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that's correct."

Uh, Obama's a christian, Wiley. He prays at every state funded prayer service at the White House and at different functions.  Admit it, he's just not your brand of christian. Hatemonger.
Most of the half-hour interview on "The Alan Colmes Show" is premium programming available by paid subscription, but a five-minute clip appeared as a "top video" on the Fox News Radio website.

Drake said he didn't pray for Tiller to be murdered -- only that God would take his life by some method -- but that he "absolutely" believed that God wanted the doctor dead.

But, god couldn't just strike Dr. Tiller with a bolt of lightning before he ever performed his first abortion, if that was such a heinous crime against humanity? Wiley's god is so powerless he needs Wiley himself to pray fervently for certain things so that god knows what to do? Maybe god just isn't a self-starter. Maybe god needs to be told what to do repeatedly because he tends to procrastinate and has no motivation. That would explain a lot, if there was a god.
"I believe the whole Bible, Alan," he explained. "I don't just preach part of it. I don't just preach the soft, fuzzy, warm stuff where we're supposed to be nice to everybody. I preach the whole Bible."

Here is the only thing this slimeball said that I have to begrudgingly agree with. I don't think christians should just pick out the warm fuzzy bits of the bible. But if they really read the whole thing, they'd probably end up atheists, like me and others who've studied it. Between the overabundance of hate and bigotry and violence against the innocent, and the huge inconsistencies and constant contradictions, it is a pretty sorry kind of book, lacking any kind of holiness.
Part of the Bible, Drake claimed, is imprecatory prayer -- words of judgment in the Psalms prayed back to God -- a practice he said the church has lost.

Drake fielded calls from a few listeners, including one identifying himself as a lifelong Southern Baptist who said he was saddened to hear a minister would pray for someone to die.

"This whole concept that we're always to pray little, nice, soft, fluffy, prayers -- that we're not to pray imprecatory prayer -- has been something that just, in all honesty, that Southern Baptists have lost, and we need to regain imprecatory prayer," Drake said. "It is in the Bible, and we are proud to say as Southern Baptists that we believe the Book. You've got to believe the whole Book, brother, or you don't believe any of it."

Asked if he thinks there might be other people praying imprecatory prayers for him that might be successful, Drake said, "Well, that's certainly possible, but that's in God's hands, not in mine."

Asked if he claimed to know God's will, Drake replied: "In some cases I do. Not in all cases. I know this, that if I do die right now, I'll go to heaven when I die because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's why I'll go to heaven and not to hell. And the reason George Tiller went to hell when he died was not because he killed babies, as terrible as that was. If he went to hell, and I think he did -- that's God's judgment and not mine -- but if he did go to hell it's because he did not accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior."

Uh, once again, WTF is wrong with this dude? Dr. Tiller was IN CHURCH when he was murdered in cold blood. He was in church, actually helping his congregation by being an usher. Where is there any sense that he didn't think he had a personal relationship with Jesus? But somehow god could tell that it wasn't a good relationship with Jesus so he answered Wiley's prayer and made some made pro-life christian go shoot him, in god's own house of worship? Why would a sane god do that? Why would god need to do that? This is all so far beyond stupid. Seriously.
Drake said he did not believe Tiller's accused killer is a pro-life Christian.

"I'm of the opinion -- and now everybody's going to say 'There goes Wiley down the conspiracy-theory road,' I'm of the opinion that somebody in the Obama camp had this guy killed."

OMFG. This guy is way off the deep end. Never mind. He's a complete nutter. Still, is he a dangerous nutter though?
"Who benefits the most from this man killing a doctor?" Drake asked. "We certainly don't. Pro-life people certainly don't. It hurts us. It damages us, but Obama will indeed advance it. This will be one of those crises to take advantage of, and he's already done that."

Drake said he had no evidence and admitted his opinion for now is "pure speculation."

"Everybody said [Lee Harvey] Oswald was a lone gunman, et cetera, et cetera, too," he said. "But I think we're going to find there was somebody else involved."

Drake said Tiller's murder would be a setback for pro-life Christians seeking to end abortion by legal and proper means. He said he also expects to see answers to other imprecatory prayers in the days ahead.

"God says very clearly in his Word that we are to continue to pray and he will answer our prayers," Drake said.

(From the apb news) via the BEattitude

thanks jesusI can't think of anything else to add. I think my brain froze up from the complete shock of lack of reality from the whole story. I need to calm down and go take a nap or something.


  1. love to read from your exploratory atheist writing, even though you sometimes bring up such sordid tales as this......thanks as always !
    I recommend ffrf.com for info on 'beware of dogma' stuff...

  2. As he believes that praying will be answered by god without a doubt, he should be thrown in jail for attempted murder. It's the same as hiring an assassin... to him.

  3. Yeah, I know, Johnny. I'm really divided. I think just making a casual threat on the president's life is considered illegal. But I haven't heard of any follow up. I agree, though, that someone did follow up and take matters into his own hands and kill in the name of god. Sigh. I hate religion. :(

  4. Yeah, call it like it is, Mark. What a nutjob. And he's a pastor, so people come and listen to him preach his hate and bigotry and evil every week.

  5. That's a good point, GMN. Even if his assassin is incompetent and never does the job, Wiley did still hire him. Throw the creep in jail!

  6. Thanks Tim. Yeah, well, we have to "know thine enemies".

  7. Ugh. What a horrible, horrible person... made ever more horrible by his blind adherence to ancient dogma.

    As for the "personal relationship" with Jesus, I've always found that somewhat disturbing. I don't have one with him for a couple reasons, but the biggest one is that... he's dead. Anyone who has a personal relationship with a dead guy is disturbing to me. And if they actually hear the dead guy speaking to them, it's even more disturbing.

  8. You said it, Dan. And even if the personal relationship with jesus doesn't associate someone with a dead man, he's invisible and there is not one shred of evidence that he's even there, never mind participating in this so-called "relationship".

    When kids hang on to their invisible friends for too long, parents take them to psychologists and psychiatrists and get their little heads shrunk. Why the world just accepts the silly myths and legends of a bunch of goat herders from the bronze age as more factual than cold, hard reality is beyond me!

  9. Wow, Johnny, that guy is nuts. Not only that he's pretty disagreeable. And people come to him to hear the word of god preached? That's awful. I love how he uses the bible to try to get his own way, to make his own rules for morality.